Investigation: January 2008

Prolog: Long Island Paranormal Investigators first spoke with Katie’s owner Brian Karppinen in the fall of 2007. At that time the TV show “Paranormal State” was filming an episode at Katie’s. Due to contractual obligations with the show Brian was unable to allow LIPI to investigate until after the airing of the episode featuring Katie’s. Once the episode aired in January 2008 Long Island Paranormal Investigators was promptly invited in for an investigation of the bar.

Katies of Smithtown
Katie’s of Smithtown.

Sign on door of Katies when we got there!
Sign on the front door letting patrons know other “spirit seekers” were using the bar that night.

Historical background: The original building that is now Katie’s was erected nearly 100 years ago as a shop to service passengers on the newly established rail road system on Eastern Long Island. Over the years the land and building building have served many purposes

In the late 1800’s a hospital was constructed on the land where Katie’s is now. The hospital burned down on December 5th 1909. It is not known if any one died in the fire. Later in the 1920’s a candy shop was built on the land.

The basement is relatively new. It was dug out and finished in 1978. The current (as of writing this) owner Brian Karppinen purchased the bar in 2000. Over the years significant renovations have taken place. As best known the building is not constructed on any unusual land nor have any significant events happened on the location where the bar stands.

Picture of orginal Katies
This black&white photograph that is on display in the bar shows the original building
(on right behind telephone pole) that would become Katie’s.

Reported paranormal activity:

Brian shows LIPI around
Katie’s owner Brian Karppinen shows LIPI members the hot spots in the building.

  • In the 1920’s a man named Charlie Klein frequented the bar regularly as a bartender and bootlegger. He was quite found of drink, cigarettes and women. After Charlie died by his own hand in the late 1920’s patrons reported seeing a figure of a man at various locations in the bar. Reports of this man continue to this day.
  • People in 19/20th turn-of-the-century clothing have been seen walking through the bar.
  • The figure of a woman has been seen walking across the main bar floor as well as up and down the stairs leading to the basement.
  • The toilet lids in the woman’s bathroom have been reported to jump and bang with no one there.
  • The foot steps of people on the main bar floor is often heard from the basement when no one else is in the building.
  • Glasses have frequently been reported being moved off the bar (both main bar room and basement), the tables and even flying off the holding racks.
  • Brian reported that he once was at the top of the back door stair case, lost his balance and started to fall backwards, but something grabbed him and pushed him back up to his feet.
  • The owner Brian periodically has someone in to bless and cleanse the building. He reports this helps keep paranormal activity down.

The investigation team: The first investigation of Katie’s was lead by Lead Investigator Mike Cardinuto. Also attending this investigation were LIPI Investigators Jaiem Fleischmann, Mike Bainbridge, Dimitri Haritos, Paul Guarino, Thelma D’Amico, Peter Ferraro, and Justin “Credible” DiGangi. LIPI official guests Abby Haritos and Amanda DeCarlo also joined the team for this investigation.

The investigation setup: Long Island Paranormal Investigators performed a “lights out” investigation of Katie’s. Our DVR cameras were set up in the main bar room and the basement bar room (2 cameras in each location). Our digital thermometers were also placed in the main and basement bar rooms. The temperature data logger was placed on the basement bar. Digital audio recorders were left on both the main and basement bar. Also, EMF Cellsensors were placed on both bars. Our wireless motion sensor was placed in the woman’s bathroom to check for movement of the toilet seats. Investigators also used digital cameras, K2 meters, Digital EMF, EMF Enzone, Geiger counters, volt meter  and IR thermometers.

DVR camera view
The camera view as seen by our DVR system.

We also set several “traps” in both rooms: Glasses were placed on the bar and table and the positions marked in order to determine if any moved.

Setting up cameras
LIPI Investigator Mike Bainbridge (right) and LIPI guest Amanda DeCarlo setup DVR cameras
in the basement of Katie’s.

Camera setup in basement
A DVR camera (left) is setup to watch a basement corner where Brain has said an apparition has appeared.
Note the temperature data logger on the bar and the digital thermometer on the column (right).
The hanger was left on the bar to see if anything moved it during the investigation.

The investigation:

The team was divided into two groups that rotated between the main upper bar room and the basement bar room. Teams took turns investigating both locations and performing EVP sessions.

EVPs in the basement
Long Island Paranormal Investigators members Paul Guarino and Mike Bainbridge perform EVP sessions
in the basement by the bar.

Backdoor stair case
The basement backdoor stair case where something caught Katie’s owner Brian as he started to fall backwards.

Basement bar
The basement bar. Note the DVR camera in the back right corner.

Mike Cardinuto video photo basement
LIPI lead investigator Mike Cardinuto takes night shot video in the basement of Katie’s.

Comparing EMF readings
LIPI investigators (right to left) Dimitri Haritos, Peter Ferraro and Abby Haritos compare EMF readings
in the basement of Katie’s.

Comparing EMF readings
LIPI investigators (right to left) Dimitri Haritos, Peter Ferraro and Abby Haritos compare EMF readings while lead investigator Mike Cardinuto takes digital video in the basement of Katie’s.

Later in the night part of the team went out side and allowed a smaller group of investigators to remain inside in the hope that a smaller group would be more amenable for paranormal activity.

Investigating the main bar room
LIPI investigators in the main bar room on street level.
Note the EMF Cellsensor EMF meter on the bar.

Another view of the main bar
A view of the main bar from the other end. Note the EMF Cellsenor meter at this end too.

Toilets in womans bathroom
The toilets in the woman’s bathroom that are said to flip up and down on their own.

Watching the DVR system
LIPI Investigators Mike Bainbridge (right) and Paul Guarino watch for paranormal activity
on the DVR system during the investigation.

High EMF on the K2 meter
This K2 meter is registering a steady high (10+mg) reading that probably is artificial in source.

Observing in the main bar room
LIPI Investigators Mike Bainbridge (right foreground) and Paul Guarino watch for paranormal activity
in the main bar room on the main/street level floor.

Observing in the main bar room
LIPI Investigators Paul Guarino (left) and Mike Bainbridge take EMF readings
in the main bar room on the main/street level floor.
Note the glass on the table set as a “trap” to observe for something to make it move.

LIPI recording paranormal observations
LIPI Investigators (left to right) Mike Bainbridge, Paul Guarino, and guest Amanda DeCarlo record
their instruments and personal observations at the end of the paranormal investigation.

Comparing EMF readings
LIPI investigators Dimitri and Abby Haritos check EMF readings in main floor bar room of Katie’s.


Findings:

Personal Experiences On Site:

Location: Main floor bar room near the stage
Description: High EMF readings were detected near the stage area on the main floor bar room and also near the bar in the basement.

Debunking note: There is much electrical wire running along the basement ceiling that could be leaking EMF into the environment both in the basement and into the main bar room through the ceiling/floor.
 

  • Location: Main floor bar room
    Description: Investigator Dimitri Haritos reported seeing shadows moving behind the bar on several occasions during the night. No one was behind the bar.
  • Location: Main floor bar room near the bar
    Description: Investigators Dimitri, Thelma, Paul, Justin and Abby heard the sound of breathing coming from behind the bar. Justin was behind the bar at the time and reported it sounded like the breathing was right next to him.
  • Location: Main floor bar room
    Description: Investigator Thelma D’Amico reported being touched, as though someone prodded her head.
  • Location: Basement bar room
    Description: Sporadic EMF readings were detected near the basement bar.
    Debunking note: Readings coincided with the on/off of electric coolers and refrigerators located at the bar. 
  • Location: Basement bar room
    Description: Although there was a temperature drop in the basement, the drop was steadily progressive over the course of the investigation. It is believed this is a natural drop in temperature as the building cooled during the night and not paranormal.
  • Location: Basement bar room
    Description:
    Several “bangs” and tapping sounds were heard in the basement.
    Debunking note: These are similar to sounds LIPI has encountered before due to heat and water in plumbing.
  • Location: Basement bar room
    Description:
    The video game in the basement “beeps” sporadically for no apparent reason. Debunking note: The wall plug is extremely loose. Each time power reconnects the machine beeps. Vibration from people walking on the main floor and/or the nearby Long Island Rail Road may be jostling the wire.
     
  • Location: Basement bar room
    Description:
    Investigators
    Paul Guarino, Justin DiGangi and Dimitri Haritos reported hearing breathing sounds in the basement.
  • Location: Basement bar room
    Description:
    Investigator Dimitri Haritos reported smelling cigar smoke in the basement. The bar is a no smoking area.


    EVPs, Photographs and Video: No audio, video or photographic paranormal activity was recording during this investigation.
    Conclusion: At this time LIPI was unable to collected documentation of paranormal activity at this location. Further investigations are being planned and the results will be posted.



     

    Investigation: May 2008

    Prolog: Long Island Paranormal Investigators was invited for a second investigation at Katie’s in May 2008 by bar owner Brian Karppinen.

    Katies of Smithtown
    Katie’s of Smithtown.

    Historical background: Since our last visit in January some new history about Katie’s has been uncovered up by the Smithtown Historical Society regarding the property dating back to the late 1800’s.

    Newly discovered historical facts:

    • The building had been the Hotel Trainer, not a hospital as previously thought. The hotel burned down in December 1909.

    • The dance floor area downstairs is part of the original foundation of the hotel.

     

    Reported paranormal activity:

    Brian shows LIPI around
    Katie’s owner Brian Karppinen shows LIPI members the hot spots in the building.

    Brian had mentioned to us that he has always felt that there is something “dark” in the bar that isn’t the resident ghost, Charlie Klein. The last time Long Island Paranormal Investigators investigated the bar Brian had also told us that he would have the place cleansed often to keep the “dark things” out. Brian and the employees do not mind the presence of Charlie and in fact enjoy it when he “stops in”.

    Unfortunately, due to personal reasons, Brian has not had the building cleansed in several months and things have changed since. The activity has increased and some believe that there is something other than Charlie that has made itself known. Some believe that it’s the spirit of someone who was trapped in the hotel fire from 1909.

    Brian asked LIPI to come back and find out what could be the cause for the increased paranormal activity.
    New claims since our prior investigation:  

    • Shadows moving out of the corners of your eyes.
       
    • More wine glasses being moved/thrown.
       
    • Black mass has been seen by the railing to the downstairs area.
       

    The investigation team: LIPI conducted an all night lights-out investigation from 12am-6am with a small team of six investigators lead by Lead Investigator Michael Cardinuto. Also present were investigators Thelma D’Amico, Justin “Credible” DiGangi, Craig Sordyl, Mike Bainbridge, and Paul Guarino.
     

    The investigation:

    The team was divided into two groups that rotated between the main upper bar room and the basement bar room all night. Teams took turns investigating both locations and performing EVP sessions. Our DVR system base was setup on the main floor stage. Two cameras were set up on the main floor, one to cover the open floor area and the other to cover the bar. The other DVR cameras were setup downstairs to cover the lower bar and dance floor area. Our wireless motion sensor was setup on the main floor to observe several glass marked for position on the lower level.

    Glasses were setup as “traps” on both the main and lower floors for something to move them.


    Findings:

    Photographs and Video: No photographs or video was collected during this investigation.

    EVPs: Analysis pending.

     EMF and Temperature: No anomalous EMF or temperature changes were detected during the investigation.

    Personal Experiences On Site:

  • Location: Stairs in lower level bar area
    Description: Investigators Michael Cardinuto and Michael Bainbridge reported seeing an apparent shadow moving up the stairway. This tends to support the report of a black mass seen near the railing that connects the upstairs and downstairs.
     
  • Location: Lower level bar area
    Description: It was noted one of the glasses set up as a “trap” had moved slightly off the mark. No extreme vibrations had been noticed before the motion sensor sounded.

Conclusion: Although some personal experiences were recorded during this investigation, at this time LIPI is still unable to document significant paranormal activity at this location. Additional investigations will be scheduled.

 


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